Asking all the nice folks here if they could suggest telnet/BBS client software to try out on my 286 based retro pc.
Back in those days I used Telix. Term was another one...
Back in those days I used Telix. Term was another one...I do believe every man and his dog used Telix at some point. I don't recall Term, there was also TeleMate... there was something else I can't remember that was out in the early Telix era too, think it was another Tele something.
I do believe every man and his dog used Telix at some point. I don't recall Term, there was also TeleMate... there was something else I can't
Asking all the nice folks here if they could suggest telnet/BBS client software to try out on my 286 based retro pc.
Back in those days I used Telix. Term was another one...
I do believe every man and his dog used Telix at some point. I don't recall Term, there was also TeleMate... there was something else I
can't remember that was out in the early Telix era too, think it was another Tele something.
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Asking all the nice folks here if they could suggest telnet/BBS client software to try out on my 286 based retro pc.
Am currently using the telnet client from MTCP, would like to know i
there are any other good DOS based clients... maybe even something
that supported RIP graphics or maybe lets you store you fav bbs's in a
nice menu like SyncTERM.
Would also be willing to try any win 3/3.1 based telnet clients if any
of you know of any??
telnet://bbs.roonsbbs.hu:1212 <<=-
Telnet over, I probably have tons in my 178 shareware cds, or my file bases.
Yep Telix and ProComm Plus for me.
Yep Telix and ProComm Plus for me.
ProComm was a late arrival here, I'd forgotten that one, and Terminate. I think Terminate was the extra Tele? I was trying to recall.
Zip wrote to Spectre <=-
I went from Telix to Telemate to Terminate, and, if I recall correctly, Telemate had some kind of scripting language that could be used for creating a very simple BBS (more or less).
What I liked the most about Telemate was being able to use its internal apps while the app was tied up downloading or uploading. I did something similar with Sidekick, but it took up too much RAM.
I went from Telix to Telemate to Terminate, and, if I recall correctly, Telemate had some kind of scripting language that could be used for creating a very simple BBS (more or less).
What I liked the most about Telemate was being able to use its internal apps while the app was tied up downloading or uploading. I did something similar with Sidekick, but it took up too much RAM.
Am currently using the telnet client from MTCP, would
like to know i there are any other good DOS based
clients... maybe even something that supported
RIP graphics or maybe lets you store you fav bbs's in a
nice menu like SyncTERM.
similar with Sidekick, but it took up too much RAM.
Yep, I remember Sidekick, too! :)
Are you using the telnet program included with the other mTCP
applications on the brutmanlabs.org page? I see there is a note:
Looking for an enhanced version of Telnet with sixel graphics, mouse,
and printer support? See https://github.com/jhpyle/mTCP
Yes I got started on this journey with mTCP & I have
tried the enhanced telnet client you speak of. Its good
and like the rest of mTCP is an amazing technical
achievement but doesn't have a convenient dialer menu.
RIPScript graphics support would also be awesome however
I am coming to realize that might be a bit of a long
shot with my current setup. One can
always look around & hope you find something - and
discovering what you can get working & how far you can
push your rig is part of the fun and enjoyment of retro
computing after all.
On the telnet side, as someone else mentioned, using an RS232 WiFi modem (there are a few versions that do basically the same thing) may be a useful solution? For anyone not familiar: it plugs into the computer's serial port and from the computer's perspective it emulates a dialup modem, while making a telnet connection via wifi. Then any software expecting a dialup modem can be used to connect via telnet to servers/BBSes online.
On the telnet side, as someone else mentioned, using an RS232 WiFi modem
I will look into this, though I'd be looking for
something that can use ethernet instead of wifi. This
'ol house's lathe and plaster walls are
anathema to wifi, I supposed I could setup an extra wifi
access point if required but I'd really prefer not to if
possible.
Also wonder what speed I'll be able to get reliably from the UART in the multi I/O card I'm using. From what I can vaguely
remember from various attempts at gaming with a friend
over a via null modem cable in the 90's this was quite important.
I will look into this, though I'd be looking for something that can use ethernet instead of wifi. This 'ol house's lathe and plaster walls are
Also wonder what speed I'll be able to get reliably from the UART in the multi I/O card I'm using. From what I can vaguely remember from various
You could also use tcpser running on a second PC (or a Raspbery Pi etc), with the tcpser system connecting to your serial port the same as the wifi modems. https://github.com/FozzTexx/tcpser
Good question about the com port speed - you'll want a 16550 UART for sure. If you have an older I/O card with 8250 UART it would be better to upgrade to a 16550 UART.
something that can use ethernet instead of wifi. This
'ol house's lathe and plaster walls are
anathema to wifi, I supposed I could setup an extra wifi
access point if required but I'd really prefer not to if
possible.
Ethernet versions of this type of device exists, I am
not really familiar with them myself because the wifi
versions have become more common and that's what I've
been using, so I don't know specific names to suggest
for ethernet versions.
Good question about the com port speed - you'll want a 16550 UART for sure. If you have an older I/O card with 8250 UART it would be better to upgrade to a 16550 UART.
SNAP! The only thing we both left out there, was the UARTS are all pin compatible, so anything socketed is a simple swap, while
de-soldering them is
time consuming being a 40pin package, but doable.
UART talk! It doesn't get much closer to the heart of BBSing! :)
kirkspragg wrote to AKAcastor <=-
Also wonder what speed I'll be able to get reliably from the UART in
the multi I/O card I'm using. From what I can vaguely remember from various attempts at gaming with a friend over a via null modem cable in the 90's this was quite important.
AKAcastor wrote to Spectre <=-
Wild to think how swapping the UART chip used to be (sometimes) so
easy, and here I am on a laptop that I can't even add RAM to!
Progress, I guess. ;)
UART talk! It doesn't get much closer to the heart of BBSing! :)
There's always the 6551 but its even older, and usually only used in 6502 based systems. :) Some of the line driver support is the same though.
1488 and 1489...
Wild to think how swapping the UART chip used to be (sometimes) so
easy, and here I am on a laptop that I can't even add RAM to!
Progress, I guess. ;)
Those little cheap vinyl zipper tool cases always came with a chip extractor and a chip inserter tool, wonder if they finally got rid of those. My first computer had DIP RAM and I replaced the UART, after that it was all DIP/DIMM/SIMM and so on...
On the telnet side, as someone else mentioned, using an RS232
WiFi modem (there are a few versions that do basically the same
thing) may be a useful solution? For anyone not familiar: it
plugs into the computer's serial port and from the computer's
perspective it emulates a dialup modem, while making a telnet
connection via wifi. Then any software expecting a dialup modem
can be used to connect via telnet to servers/BBSes online.
I will look into this, though I'd be looking for something that can
use ethernet instead of wifi. This 'ol house's lathe and plaster
walls are anathema to wifi, I supposed I could setup an extra wifi
access point if required but I'd really prefer not to if possible.
telnet://bbs.roonsbbs.hu:1212 <<=-
Also wonder what speed I'll be able to get reliably from the UART
in the multi I/O card I'm using. From what I can vaguely remember
from various attempts at gaming with a friend over a via null
modem cable in the 90's this was quite important.
Good question about the com port speed - you'll want a 16550 UART for
sure. If you have an older I/O card with 8250 UART it would be better
to upgrade to a 16550 UART.
I think these serial<>telnet devices would work with acceptable speed
on your system, the device acting as telnet modem will do some
buffering.
telnet://bbs.roonsbbs.hu:1212 <<=-
Ethernet versions of this type of device exists, I amI remembered that "Wiznet" manufactures serial-to-ethernet dongles. I
not really familiar with them myself because the wifi
am not sure which might be ready-to-use for telnet modem emulation
though. I've only dealt with them in embedded systems use and didn't
use telnet protocol.
Those little cheap vinyl zipper tool cases always came with a chip extractor and a chip inserter tool, wonder if they finally got rid of those. My first computer had DIP RAM and I replaced the UART, after that
somewhere Darklord wrote that he uses a Lantronix UDS100 for his atari,
so i've bought one and it works well also on my atari st, and it should work on a PC/whatever with a serial port as well. check it out and you
can buy a used one on ebay really quick.
Ethernet versions of this type of device exists, I amI remembered that "Wiznet" manufactures serial-to-ethernet
not really familiar with them myself because the wifi
dongles. I am not sure which might be ready-to-use for telnet
modem emulation though. I've only dealt with them in embedded
systems use and didn't use telnet protocol.
Following a recommendation I found over on the vintage compute
federation forums in an old discussion about serial modem emulators,
I've ordered a couple of Lantronx UDS10 ethernet to serial devices 2nd
hand from ebay. Looks like they'll do what I need, I'll let you all
know that works out!
Looking at the docs for this device, it can do a number of protocols including telnet. Will be interesting to see how it functions in
practice when pared with a traditional modem based terminal app. I
think there will be much fun and frustration in my near future!
telnet://bbs.roonsbbs.hu:1212 <<=-
Yep Telix and ProComm Plus for me.
ProComm was a late arrival here, I'd forgotten that one, and Terminate. think Terminate was the extra Tele? I was trying to recall.
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i can help you if you are stuck, i've been playing with the different options 'till i've found a decent one. which i don't remember, but its saved in the nvram :)
i can help you if you are stuck, i've been playing with the
different options 'till i've found a decent one. which i don't
remember, but its saved in the nvram :)
Sure will do! Thanks for the offer! One thing I could use help with is identifying the UART my multi-IO card has. It's one of the later UMC
cards I think & all the functions appear to be combined into one a
couple of ICs i.e. I can't find an obvious UART chip.
Know of any DOS software I could run to check what UART this thing
actually has??
telnet://bbs.roonsbbs.hu:1212 <<=-
What was the programming language in Procomm... aspect? or something? I think I ahev all my scripts in a ZIP file here somewhere. I think I wrote a simple BBS using the script language...
8250 UART - bad
16450 UART - OK for some speeds and single-tasking
16550 and higher - good.
x00's xu can do it for you.
x00's xu can do it for you.
Thanks, I'll look around for x00, I assume you've got a copy in your
BBS's file area so I'll look there later on today when I've got a bit
more time.
telnet://bbs.roonsbbs.hu:1212 <<=-
Hey everyone,hey
Asking all the nice folks here if they could suggest telnet/BBS client software to try out on my 286 based retro pc.i am using MTCP's telnet....
Am currently using the telnet client from MTCP, would like to know i
there are any other good DOS based clients... maybe even something that supported RIP graphics or maybe lets you store you fav bbs's in a nice menu like SyncTERM.
Most of what I have found thus far are communication programs that are limited to using a modem/serial port - Is there perhaps a way to get
these working as telnet clients via some COM port to TCP redirection software??
software to try out on my 286 based retro pc.i am using MTCP's telnet....
these working as telnet clients via some COM port to TCP redirection software??
hmmmmmmmm i dont know..
yeah i have a couple of 386s with 16450 UART and it sucks! hard! even with a real (high speed) modem. if you use this you have to set your baud to 9600 or less and even in this case its really hard to make your connection reliable.
Know of any DOS software I could run to check what UART this thing actually has??
Stretching the memory, PCTools has HWInfo? Used to be some other standalone thing I used, I think was sysinfo... but really struggling to remember what now... 8250/16450s will usually identify the same, and are classed together, 16550s identify seperately.
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