Re: Re: I am thinking...
By: esc to Avon on Mon Dec 18 2023 01:04 am

I think audiophiles prefer Apple Music but I can't tell a difference. However my sister was laid off at Spotify recently so I have an axe to grind with them and will probably cancel my service. That'll show 'em! hehe

Spotify tried to monetize podcasts. I think that was a billion (or two) dollar mistake.
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Spotify tried to monetize podcasts. I think that was a billion (or two) dollar mistake.

The fact that they paid Joe Rogan as much as they did while they pay musicians shockingly little is also something I think is shitty.

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Hello esc!

** On Thursday 04.01.24 - 04:13, esc wrote to Digital Man:

Spotify tried to monetize podcasts. I think that was a billion (or two)
dollar mistake.

The fact that they paid Joe Rogan as much as they did while they pay musicians shockingly little is also something I think is shitty.

It was 200+ million, I think.

Rogan is a different "product". I doubt that they could apply
the same royalty-based system per episode or per avg 4-min
segment that a song is based on.

Also, the same song gets replayed over and over by the same
listener vs hearing one podcast is often enough for one person.

Anyway.. his initial Spotify contract is supposedly over by
now. About $75K per episode (daily?). Dunno how Spotify can
sustain that.

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On 06 Jan 2024, Ogg said the following...

The fact that they paid Joe Rogan as much as they did while they pay musicians shockingly little is also something I think is shitty.

Rogan is a different "product". I doubt that they could apply
the same royalty-based system per episode or per avg 4-min
segment that a song is based on.

Consider this: Joe Rogan gets something like 200 million downloads per month. Taylor Swift gets someething around 105 million listens per month. He also helps draw a customer that Taylor Swift definitely doesn't (simply because millions of people do not consume music, or are interested in it at all.. strange, i know)

https://www.billboard.com/business/streaming/taylor-swift-spotify-streams-how-m uch-worth-1235524477/

This link says that Taylor Swift easily makes the amount of money Joe Rogan does for a similar draw, and by and far significantly more when albums are
released..

It's really an apples to oranges comparison, but I don't think Joe Rogan is being overpaid for what he brings to Spotify.. He probably earns them similar moeny to what Taylor Swift does.

That's pretty impressive to me.

https://atonce.com/blog/how-many-people-listen-to-joe-rogan https://www.unilad.com/music/news/taylor-swift-is-the-most-listened-to-artist-i n-the-world-on-spotify-163930-20231102

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Rogan is a different "product". I doubt that they could apply
the same royalty-based system per episode or per avg 4-min
segment that a song is based on.

Streaming has given musicians access to wider audiences but musicians typically earn far less now that their songs are streamed and not individually licensed purchases.

I'm friends with the singer of a very well known metal band and at this point they only actually make any money from merch. Album sales are crap these days, streaming pays shockingly little, and touring pays their label well but the musicians kinda get screwed. The streaming thing and the label/touring thing are two separate issues, to be sure, but streaming has killed off a lot of income for musicians. So I was basically saying that Spotify started as a music streaming company. It pays musicians crap for their art being streamed. But a podcast gets a $200mil contract. For musicians, it sucks. Rogan was a gamble that clearly didn't pay off, but my hope is that streaming music will prove unsustainable as a business model and the traditional "license this art by buying a copy forever" will come back into fashion.

One can hope :/

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Consider this: Joe Rogan gets something like 200 million downloads per month. Taylor Swift gets someething around 105 million listens per
month. He also helps draw a customer that Taylor Swift definitely
doesn't (simply because millions of people do not consume music, or
are interested in it at all.. strange, i know)

Millions of people also have no interest in podcasts and don't hang on
Joe Rogan's every word.

With the examples above, I don't really have any interest in either one.



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Re: Re: I am thinking...
By: esc to Ogg on Sat Jan 06 2024 07:41 pm

I'm friends with the singer of a very well known metal band and at this

No hints? :-)
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I'm friends with the singer of a very well known metal band and at this

No hints? :-)

Ha :P I'd rather not attach their name to their complaints out of respect :)

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