Re: Re: Hola
By: The Godfather to Nightfox on Fri Apr 28 2023 10:28 am

Funny you bring that up. About 15 years ago I bought the new Spiderman (at the time .. whichever it was) and when it arrived it was a bootleg from China. It was a horribly printed (think ink jet lines) cover, and the text on the back kept referencing Tom Cruise as being the guy who was Parker. I think We still have the cover somewhere just for the laugh.

Yeah, some of those bootleg covers are funny.

that are ripped straight from the disc and not compressed so that
you'd get the full audio and video quality (if you can find those).

Wow, that sounds like that would be an rather large file size to be downloading. I guess for those that do, good thing for kill switches. That is the problem I have with buying content on the clouds, other then cost of service, is the compressed audio. I have a rather nice Klipsch reference audio system and an hear the difference between the original and streamed content.

Yeah, they can be large. And I don't really have a high-end audio system, so I probably won't notice the difference in audio quality, but I still feel like if I'm going to pay money for something, I don't want to be too compressed. I think they charge about the same for a movie on a streaming service as they do for a blu-ray or DVD version.

Yes, we have Amazon Prime and Netflix. We buy enough on Amazon, save enough in shipping, to cover the costs. Netflix I haven't watched since the release of Cobra Ki season 4. But my kiddos watch it constantly. We no longer have DirecTV/YouTube TV/Sling, etc.. We just use antenna for local news and whatever crime shows my wife likes to watch. I'd rather watch a movie without commercials tbh.

Yeah, I just have Amazon Prime, but similarly, I buy enough from Amazon that I think it's worth it. I haven't watched anything on Amazon's streaming service in quite a while though. Years ago, I was watching a TV show that was included with Amazon Prime, and then suddenly they started charging extra if you wanted to watch it.. Thus some of my frustrations with streaming services - They switch things around with how they charge for content, and also remove content often enough that sometimes it makes me not want to bother.

I also use an antenna for some over-the-air TV content (news and some TV shows). I don't like watching movies with commercials either, but for TV shows, that are available over the air, I figure it's good to be able to watch them that way rather than pay a subscription to watch them.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Hola
By: The Godfather to Tracker1 on Fri Apr 28 2023 10:21 am

crappy one from 10 years ago. Time to bring back build to order computer stores. Lets do it! (I miss those too ..)

San Francisco in the 1990s - there was a BTO computer shop every mile or so, and LAN TIMES and Computer Currents ran ads for them in every issue.

I cashed out a ton of PTO in 1997 and splurged on a BTO computer - was able to specify every part, including what kind of keyboard I wanted. It was a luxury after scrounging computers for the past 10 years.
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Re: Re: Hola
By: The Godfather to deon on Fri Apr 28 2023 10:41 am

I just filled 6TB and need more storage already. Currently it's a Western Digital "My Book" external, usb, blah blah. I'd like at least a 4 bay, any suggestions on something more affordable then the Synology @ $599? Right

The Synology units are pricey, but modern ones offer NVME caches, the ability to run Docker natively, and Synology's drive, backup, email, chat and streaming apps. If you have a need for all that, they're pretty nice.
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can't feed them. The only area it's not detailed enough is weeds,
however I'm rather familiar with my weeds so won't be feeding the
pokeweed and such anytime soon.

Is this the stuff you put in Poke Salad, Annie?

<grin>


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Re: Re: Hola
By: The Godfather to deon on Fri Apr 28 2023 10:41 am

Howdy,

I just filled 6TB and need more storage already. Currently it's a Western Digital "My Book" external, usb, blah blah. I'd like at least a 4 bay, any suggestions on something more affordable then the Synology @ $599? Right now I just have a laptop but once back on our feet I'll be buying/building a desktop.

I recently went through the exercise of exploring how much to "build my own" vs buying a NAS. I wanted the small form factor (that the QNAP/Synology) provide. Dont care too much about hot-add/remove. Cooling is important and obviously a good CPU/memory ability to run the NAS software (freenas) and plex/jellyfin.

I actually found it hard to find something that was compellingly cheaper (board, case, memory, cpu, etc) that was of a similar form factor. Sure it was a few $$ cheaper, but with parts coming from many places, when something broke it would have been on me to diagnose and get fixed.

Actually the hardest was to find the case, and it seemed the smaller the case (designed for multiple drives) the higher the price :(

At home (and the van), I have QNAPs, but I dont run QNAP software, I use freenas and a jail to run plex/jellyfin. My home NAS also runs nextcloud.

If you discover something, I'd be curious to know..


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Re: Re: Hola
By: The Godfather to Digital Man on Fri Apr 28 2023 10:49 am

Oh, might as well ask, why Google it, we'd have nothing to talk about; can multiple devices stream off your Plex Server at the same time? It's rare our family of 5 can ever agree on "what to watch."

Yes. There will be limits on the number of transcoded streams (based on your CPU/GPU capability and what else the Plex server system is servicing) and the total network through-put your server can support, but should be plenty for a family.
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Re: Re: Hola
By: poindexter FORTRAN to The Godfather on Fri Apr 28 2023 02:28 pm

Re: Re: Hola
By: The Godfather to deon on Fri Apr 28 2023 10:41 am

I just filled 6TB and need more storage already. Currently it's a Weste Digital "My Book" external, usb, blah blah. I'd like at least a 4 bay, suggestions on something more affordable then the Synology @ $599? Righ

The Synology units are pricey, but modern ones offer NVME caches, the abilit

IMO, a NAS should be a NAS only. There is value in separating your computing from your storage. If you intend to run actual services on the machine you can get a new entry level server for less than 600 bucks. NAS software is notorious for its limitations and poor security records and you should not expose a NAS machine to the Internet unless you know very well what you are doing.

If you only need cheap network attatched storage, you can get some second hand Buffalo link station with two bays. Or an old ShareCenter. I remember seeing those around here for less than 100 bucks per unit. You can put a lot of storage in a two bay unit as long as you can live with increased failure probabilities (which is exactly what you should be expecting when working on a low budget). Thankfully, we all have our backups XD.

If you need a reliable NAS only then you are going to have to pay for it.

TL;DR: If you intend to run services on the NAS, you'd better get an actual server instead (which you can also use as storage, not that I recommend it). If you want storage only, but don't want to expend much, you are going to have to live with a budget solution with reduced reliability. If you want a reliable NAS appliance it is going to be expensive and there is no way around it.


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Re: Re: Hola
By: deon to The Godfather on Sat Apr 29 2023 12:12 pm

Re: Re: Hola
By: The Godfather to deon on Fri Apr 28 2023 10:41 am

Howdy,

I just filled 6TB and need more storage already. Currently it's a Wester Digital "My Book" external, usb, blah blah. I'd like at least a 4 bay, a suggestions on something more affordable then the Synology @ $599? Right I just have a laptop but once back on our feet I'll be buying/building a desktop.

I recently went through the exercise of exploring how much to "build my own" ility to run the NAS software (freenas) and plex/jellyfin.

I actually found it hard to find something that was compellingly cheaper (bo
to diagnose and get fixed.

Actually the hardest was to find the case, and it seemed the smaller the cas

At home (and the van), I have QNAPs, but I dont run QNAP software, I use fre

If you discover something, I'd be curious to know..

If you want a NAS for NAS service only, and want it in a small form factor, an off-the-shelf NAS appliance is hard to beat. I think you can only go cheaper by cutting corners so severely that you enter dangerous/mean/poorman territory.

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Re: Re: Hola
By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Apr 29 2023 04:23 am

If you only need cheap network attatched storage, you can get some second ha Buffalo link station with two bays. Or an old ShareCenter. I remember seeing those around here for less than 100 bucks per unit. You can put a lot of storage in a two bay unit as long as you can live with increased failure probabilities (which is exactly what you should be expecting when working on low budget). Thankfully, we all have our backups XD.

BTW I don't count on a Buffalo LinkStation or a Share Center to do heavy multimedia streaming. Honestly, if you want a minimum of power you have to spend them bucks, period.

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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

IMO, a NAS should be a NAS only. There is value in separating your computing from your storage.

That's sound advice, if you're willing to accept the risk, an all-in-one solution is pretty nice. I envision a small company being able to set up
a NAS, backup, drive sync, email, and collaboration tools on a Synology
NAS, but in reality, a company would just get G suite or Microsoft 365.

Seems like a solution for 2005. I wish they were around when I was
setting up Microsoft Small Business Servers...

In my environment, I'm not using any of the collaboration apps since
it's just me. I've got a homelab running on Proxmox for apps.

If you only need cheap network attatched storage, you can get some
second hand Buffalo link station with two bays. Or an old ShareCenter.

The reason I bought my Synology was it was dirt cheap and used - $119
for a 5-bay DS1010+. :)

You can put a lot of storage in a two bay unit as long as you can live with increased failure probabilities (which is exactly what you should
be expecting when working on a low budget). Thankfully, we all have our backups XD.

I've had RAID for a long time -- my desktop was mirrored for 10 years,
and I couldn't imagine running a stripe set in a 2-bay NAS. I'd rather
spend twice as much for mirroring.

I had a bunch of 2TB drives laying around, so thankfully I was able to
populate my NAS and give me 7TB with redundancy.



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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

BTW I don't count on a Buffalo LinkStation or a Share Center to do
heavy multimedia streaming. Honestly, if you want a minimum of power
you have to spend them bucks, period.

I was able to stream 1080P from a Linksys router running DD-WRT, but I
never tried streaming 2 clients simultaneously.



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I've never been to a Micro Center, as they dohn't have a location near me, but I've heard good things about them. It would be nice if they'd build a location out here.. Since Fry's Electronics shut down, I've thought that could be a prime opportunity for Micro Center to buy the location and turn it into a Micro Center.

Haven't been either... it's just that right now, BestBuy is about the only option for any components for the most part, and selection is really limited. This morning, my Linux drive was in read-only mode and upon reboot was in some form of recovery mode suggesting fsck. My first thought was, I wish I had a spare drive, and maybe bump to a bigger one if I need to yank it. All seems to be good after like 6 issues reported/fixed, but still concerning.

Mental note, still want to do a nearly full rsync of my home directory.


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I was sad when Fry's shut down, but they'd become a shadow of what they'd once been. Long rows of empty shelves, populated with one or two items.

This sounds like a post I made a couple years ago, when they announced they'd be shuttering completely. Last time I went there I needed a USB->PS/2 keyboard adapter... The system in question would only go into the bios menu from a PS/2 keyboard.

All of the local Fry's are still vacant near me, they were uniquely designed, and might turn off a prospective buyer. One's shaped like a Mayan Pyramid.

Yeah, one of the two in Phx was like that... the other was converted from an Incredible Universe store iirc. At the height, both were places to go to pretty regularly. Unfortunately, the customer service was so bad, that even dealing with Amazon or Newegg and return shipping is easier.


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I had gone to my closest Best Buy a few weeks ago... apparently they
switched it to a "Best Buy Outlet" and upon walking in, apparently
that means 90% of the floor space is washers and dryers. I really

Maybe thats whats happening to our Best Buy. That would suck. I haven't been into an Office Max or Depot in a while but one of the two is by our house. I can't imagine they have any better of a selection then their crappy one from 10 years ago. Time to bring back build to order computer stores. Lets do it! (I miss those too ..)

Yeah, it was kind of just a crappy looking experience. As to Office Max, got a laser printer for my daughter a few months ago, as well as new chair mats for my workspace upstairs. It's about the same as ever, just less busy.

On the built to order computer stores, would be nice... when I went to BB, it was after trying to hit a local computer store to diagnose a MB issue, they didn't have a different CPU in stock they could use to test it, so decided to get a new one and ship the mail order one back. In the end, it's just a bit rough.

Phoenix eh? I lived there for 2 years when we opened Ultimate Electronics back in the day. I don't recall alot of computer stores back then either in Phoenix.

Yeah, before Fry's came in, there were about 8-9 smaller computer stores, but 6 of them were owned by the same guy under different names. Trying to get a MB locally and having to drive to a few places reminded me of those days too.


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I just filled 6TB and need more storage already. Currently it's a Western Digital "My Book" external, usb, blah blah. I'd like at least a 4 bay, any suggestions on something more affordable then the Synology @ $599? Right now I just have a laptop but once back on our feet I'll be buying/building a desktop.

A used server on Ebay, assuming you have space for a 1-2u server chasis somewhere... It's too hot to run such a thing in my garage, so running a Synology 6-drive with a 5-drive expansion, all full of 12gb drives. My prior box was about 11 years old at that point, and completely full. Should be good for a long while. Only real complaint is that the Plex on Synology crashes all the time... pretty much all NVidia Shield TVs now (which Kodi can play directly over the wire for everything SMB/CIFS).

On the used server front, it may cost about the same, but you can often find systems that are a lot more powerful, loaded with ram, and maybe slightly older drives with life left on them.


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Yeah, I just have Amazon Prime, but similarly, I buy enough from Amazon that I think it's worth it. I haven't watched anything on Amazon's streaming service in quite a while though. Years ago, I was watching a TV show that was included with Amazon Prime, and then suddenly they started

I think The Boys, Terminal List, Reacher and Jack Ryan have all be very good shows on Amazon. There's another fun show called Alpha House, but I didn't discover it until well after it was cancelled, which is a shame it's a better show than the 2 seasons it got.


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Tracker1 wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

places to go to pretty regularly. Unfortunately, the customer service
was so bad, that even dealing with Amazon or Newegg and return shipping
is easier.

I remember they were notorious for re-wrapping returns. You'd open what
looked like a factory-wrapped item and inside it had definitely been
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Tracker1 wrote to The Godfather <=-

On the built to order computer stores, would be nice... when I went to
BB, it was after trying to hit a local computer store to diagnose a MB issue, they didn't have a different CPU in stock they could use to test it, so decided to get a new one and ship the mail order one back. In
the end, it's just a bit rough.

Yeah, commodity computers are a pain in the ass. My son wanted to try
and upgrade a Lenovo gaming desktop and realized how proprietary (and
how many corners were cut) with brand-name PCs. Would have been so much
easier if he'd started out with a white box PC, standard power supply,
cable routing, etc.

He took a summer camp at the local junior college on PC assembly and
trouble-shooting, so he had some familiarity with opening up PCs and
assembling them. That'll be a life skill he'll use.




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Tracker1 wrote to The Godfather <=-

A used server on Ebay, assuming you have space for a 1-2u server chasis somewhere... It's too hot to run such a thing in my garage

I need to build a server space in my storage area -- 10 degrees colder than the house, and the noise of a 1u server wouldn't drive me crazy. Right
now, I have a laptop and a Synology DS1010+ in my office and it's just
enough fan noise for my mike to pick up.

My prior box was about 11 years old at that point, and completely full.
Should be good for a long while. Only real complaint is that the Plex
on Synology crashes all the time... pretty much all NVidia Shield TVs
now (which Kodi can play directly over the wire for everything
SMB/CIFS).

I use my Synology to stream via DLNA to my Roku TVs; I need to find a
better solution as the TVs can't decode h.265 videos.




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Yeah, commodity computers are a pain in the ass. My son wanted to try
and upgrade a Lenovo gaming desktop and realized how proprietary (and
how many corners were cut) with brand-name PCs. Would have been so much easier if he'd started out with a white box PC, standard power supply, cable routing, etc.

Yeah... I've kind of given in on the laptop side as much as I hate it. I might go with frame.work next time I buy one, for now been pretty happy with my little M1 Air, what little I actually use it.

He took a summer camp at the local junior college on PC assembly and trouble-shooting, so he had some familiarity with opening up PCs and assembling them. That'll be a life skill he'll use.

I'd put it in line with knowing basic car maintenance like being able to change your own oil. Or changing out your own light or switch.


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I need to build a server space in my storage area -- 10 degrees colder than the house, and the noise of a 1u server wouldn't drive me crazy. Right now, I have a laptop and a Synology DS1010+ in my office and it's just enough fan noise for my mike to pick up.

That would be nice... I have a few cat6e runs going to a closet where I'm using the top shelf for my synology, router and mini server. I added a couple in-door fans for circulation that are working pretty well for circulating enough air to not overheat in there, and the noise is less than the AC intake right outside the closet so don't really notice. At least it's no longer right next to my desk.

I use my Synology to stream via DLNA to my Roku TVs; I need to find a better solution as the TVs can't decode h.265 videos.

I've been really happy with the NVidia Shield TV boxes, they're slightly overpriced for what they are, but work without issue unlike the cheaper android tv boxes. They run Kodi and play pretty much anything I've tried from the files on an SMB/CIFS file share. The Fire sticks are a bit underpowered, and other devices I've tried over the years have issue. Also, having updated apps for the other services without being limited to lower resolution streams or browser hacks is a plus. I'm using the pro model, haven't tried the smaller verion.


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Re: Re: Hola
By: Tracker1 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 02 2023 07:01 pm

I'd put it in line with knowing basic car maintenance like being able to change your own oil. Or changing out your own light or switch.

I've said that in retrospect the two classes I should have taken in high school were auto shop and typing.

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Re: Re: Hola
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Tracker1 on Tue May 02 2023 12:12 pm

I'd put it in line with knowing basic car maintenance like being
able to change your own oil. Or changing out your own light or
switch.

I've said that in retrospect the two classes I should have taken in high school were auto shop and typing.

I don't remember my high school offering auto shop. I did take a typing class in 8th grade, and then at some point in high school, I had an extra class slot that I had to fill with an elective, and I ended up choosing a typing class again because there weren't any others that seemed interesting to me at the time.

Nightfox

Re: Re: Hola
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue May 02 2023 01:54 pm

I don't remember my high school offering auto shop. I did take a typing

Count Zero Interrupt, one of the sysops in the othernet I was in back in the '90s took a job in the IT department at a local high school - he's now running IT for a district.

He moved out into the country, bought a big plot of land, planned on building a house. He bought an old '60s Dodge 1 ton truck to haul the material he'd need and let the kids rebuild the engine in shop class. Everybody wins.

The rest of the story: He bought the truck from a city 60 miles away from his land. He brought it home, parked it in the driveway and his neighbor did a double-take - the truck had belonged to the previous owner, who had passed away.
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Yeah, they can be large. And I don't really have a high-end audio
system, so I probably won't notice the difference in audio quality, but
I still feel like if I'm going to pay money for something, I don't want
to be too compressed. I think they charge about the same for a movie on
a streaming service as they do for a blu-ray or DVD version.

Yeah I always feel like I have to turn the volume up to hear the voices and then the bass is over exaggerated when watching streaming flicks. To your point, I'd much rather own the physical copy because I'm just old(er) and opening a vinyl or cassette tape and reading the inside sleeve used to mean something :) I don't mind paying $4.99 to rent the movie. While it's more then old "mail it to me" Netflix or Redbox, it's not a bad price for a family of five; and has conditioned me to be more selective on which movies I do purchase.

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San Francisco in the 1990s - there was a BTO computer shop every mile or so, and LAN TIMES and Computer Currents ran ads for them in every issue.
I cashed out a ton of PTO in 1997 and splurged on a BTO computer - was able to specify every part, including what kind of keyboard I wanted. It was a luxury after scrounging computers for the past 10 years.

I worked for a company that sold PC's and mid-high end A/V during the 90's and early 2000's. I remember the "truck load sales" when you could buy a non name brand clone and see every brand of part within it. There were so many awesome clone PCs during the 90's. We had the BTO shops as well, I bought a couple from them. Did you have guys building them in their basements or garages? I had a couple of buddies that would advertise in the local rags, and BTO for and just charge an "assembly fee" otherwise "cost for parts." What as a PTO?

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As tempting as it sounds, I'd say I need all of that and then just use it for 1980-1990's BBS file archives (Smilez) so likely not. I would like to play around with Docker one day .. yes I haven't yet (I know .. I know .. :) Once I buy a new desktop (maybe BTO ...) I'll use my laptop as the experiment, break, redo, figure it out PC.

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Have you seen how they prepare Poke weed to make it safe to eat? It's kinda like preparing puffer fish (haha ..) I have no clue what Poke Salad, Annie is ..

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I recently went through the exercise of exploring how much to "build my own" vs buying a NAS. I wanted the small form factor (that the

Eh, not sure I want to build my own .. I have noticed a few "less expensive" options then the first brand that pulled up with a quick search such as the Terramaster F4-210 for $209 (4 bay,) and the Sabrent USB 3.2 DS-SC4B is $229. This is all new to me so these names mean nothing, maybe are just that .. But for sure much cheaper to buy which is my intent (other then purchasing the HD's separately.)

At home (and the van), I have QNAPs, but I dont run QNAP software, I use

What model QNAPs do you run by chance? I see they range from $300ish to $wayoutofpricerangish

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Yes. There will be limits on the number of transcoded streams (based on your CPU/GPU capability and what else the Plex server system is
servicing) and the total network through-put your server can support,
but should be plenty for a family.
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It's beginning to make sense. If I ever get to a day off I'm buying one (sometime next week ..)

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Yeah, before Fry's came in, there were about 8-9 smaller computer
stores, but 6 of them were owned by the same guy under different names. Trying to get a MB locally and having to drive to a few places reminded
me of those days too.

Do you still have Fry's? Ours closed. Hmm .. sounds like a fun business to open. If someone lived in an area with a lot of neighbors employed within the tech industry it might be fun to "test." And with those concerned about "privacy" BTO might even attract those (with money) who want a more custom machine with the right software / services supporting it (all while supporting the little guy ..) Ok thats one heck of an ad to try to market but dang it I want the corner PC store back in the hood.

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A used server on Ebay, assuming you have space for a 1-2u server chasis
On the used server front, it may cost about the same, but you can often find systems that are a lot more powerful, loaded with ram, and maybe slightly older drives with life left on them.

Hmm ... note to self: don't be lazy and buy off Amazon might be a good option. I haven't bought on eBay forever but thank you, I'll do my research and see what i can come up with.

Appreciate everyones input there.

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Re: Re: Hola
By: The Godfather to deon on Wed May 03 2023 08:45 am

Eh, not sure I want to build my own .. I have noticed a few "less expensive" options then the first brand that pulled up with a quick search such as the Terramaster F4-210 for $209 (4 bay,) and the Sabrent USB 3.2 DS-SC4B is $229. This is all new to me so these names mean nothing, maybe are just that

So a couple of things to keep in mind (this depends if you want to run other things on it too - like media services).

The F4-210 is an ARM NAS, so anything you need to run on it, will need to be ARM based.

The DS-SC4B is not a NAS, but rather a external disk caddy. IE: You'll need to plug it into a machine that is "the NAS" (or whatever else).

The SC4B is another option to the "build your own" paradigm, ie: connect it to a small form factor server that runs the NAS software. ie: it takes care of the power/cooling and data bus for drive storage.


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So a couple of things to keep in mind (this depends if you want to run other things on it too - like media services).

Ah .. yes .. the reason we still need corner computer stores -- I'd have bought the wrong stuff :)

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Have you seen how they prepare Poke weed to make it safe to eat? It's kinda like preparing puffer fish (haha ..) I have no clue what Poke
Salad, Annie is ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyXHxh3Sye0




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Do you still have Fry's? Ours closed. Hmm .. sounds like a fun business to open. If someone lived in an area with a lot of neighbors employed within the tech industry it might be fun to "test." And with those concerned about "privacy" BTO might even attract those (with money) who want a more custom machine with the right software / services supporting it (all while supporting the little guy ..) Ok thats one heck of an ad to try to market but dang it I want the corner PC store back in the hood.

Ours have closed as well... I did first try a mom n' pop local to me... not sure how busy they are in practice though, and they didn't keep stock on hand, so wasn't much help to me. I get it, mostly as parts depriciate in value so much and so quickly.


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Re: Re: Hola
By: The Godfather to Mickey on Wed May 03 2023 08:36 am

Have you seen how they prepare Poke weed to make it safe to eat? It's kinda like preparing puffer fish (haha ..) I have no clue what Poke Salad, Annie is ..

Around California, a Poke bowl is sashimi-grade tuna in a bowl with nori, sesame seeds, rice and a hot sauce (usually sriracha and mayo).
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Hi The Godfather,

On Wednesday May 03 2023, The Godfather said to deon:

I recently went through the exercise of exploring how much to "build
my own" vs buying a NAS. I wanted the small form factor (that the

Eh, not sure I want to build my own .. I have noticed a few "less expensive" options then the first brand that pulled up with a quick
search such as the Terramaster F4-210 for $209 (4 bay,) and the Sabrent USB 3.2 DS-SC4B is $229. This is all new to me so these names mean nothing, maybe are just that .. But for sure much cheaper to buy which
is my intent (other then purchasing the HD's separately.)

Do you have a oldish pc that's not being used? If you do then put either Nas4Free or Truenas on a USB memory stick and then install the HD's.

Use ZFS and you then have a system that will survive moves to different hardware, as long as the drives are ok.. I've done that just recently with a client.. Moved from a *old* dell core 2 something, to a I3-3240. The only
thing that changed was adding an extra 4gb of ram (Now 8), and moving the
HD's across.

ZFS dosn't care about what port the drives are on, as they get 'label' and
then just re-connects them.


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Its not poke salad Annie, but polk salad Annie. Polk is meant to be some
kind of weed you can subsist on. Poor peoples food during the depression
kind of thing...

Spec


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Vorlon wrote to The Godfather <=-

Use ZFS and you then have a system that will survive moves to different hardware, as long as the drives are ok.. I've done that just recently
with a client.. Moved from a *old* dell core 2 something, to a I3-3240. The only thing that changed was adding an extra 4gb of ram (Now 8), and moving the HD's across.

ZFS dosn't care about what port the drives are on, as they get 'label'
and then just re-connects them.

My only concern with ZFS has been the alleged memory overhead. I thought
I heard a gig per terabyte? Is this realistic?



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Re: Re: Hola
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vorlon on Thu May 04 2023 06:49 am

My only concern with ZFS has been the alleged memory overhead. I thought
I heard a gig per terabyte? Is this realistic?

So it depends on your requirements. If you want fast I/O *and* de-duplication, then yes its a gig per terabyte apparently.

I run it on a 4GB QNAP that has 16TB of storage - but I dont use de-duplication, and its just stores my photos and videos. (IE: I dont use it as a drive letter that I read/write edit files from directly). That same machine also has a jellyfin jail.

I still get reasonable performance that's good enough for what I use it for.


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Hi Poindexter,

On Thursday May 04 2023, Poindexter Fortran said to Vorlon:

a I3-3240. The only thing that changed was adding an extra 4gb of ram
(Now 8), and moving the HD's across.

ZFS dosn't care about what port the drives are on, as they get 'label'
and then just re-connects them.

My only concern with ZFS has been the alleged memory overhead. I
thought I heard a gig per terabyte? Is this realistic?

ZFS does like memory, and the more it has the better.. But in saying that
these setup's I've used in it have only 2/4tb drives in z2 (Mirror) and have been fine with 4gb of ram in the machine...

The only reason I upped the recent one, was I could! I didn't see any difference in the way the machine performed. The previous setup was only getting replaced as one of the client machines was updated, and after some
time the user was happey with the new PC. So I then replaced there NAS box
with the clients previous user pc.


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Around California, a Poke bowl is sashimi-grade tuna in a bowl with nori, sesame seeds, rice and a hot sauce (usually sriracha and mayo).

Oh of course .. duh. Yeah no, pokeweed is something I wouldn't eat :) (Nor the Poke Bowls, just not much into fish ... :/ )

https://stoneageman.com/deadly-poisonous-pokeweed-is-actually-edible-if-yo u-do-this/

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My only concern with ZFS has been the alleged memory overhead. I
thought I heard a gig per terabyte? Is this realistic?

So it depends on your requirements. If you want fast I/O *and* de-duplication, then yes its a gig per terabyte apparently.

I run it on a 4GB QNAP that has 16TB of storage - but I dont use de-duplication, and its just stores my photos and videos. (IE: I dont use it as a drive letter that I read/write edit files from directly). That same machine also has a jellyfin jail.

Will also vary by network throughput (10gb+ or 1gb?) and the number of concurrent users.


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