But on the other hand, any aid to Ukraine's military seems like a provocation for Russia. We need to make peace with Russia first befor we take Zelenski's rare earth materials.

We need Ukraine as a negotiation tool for working with Russia. Trump won't give up that until the Russia issue is solved.

But I still think that most aid will be in the form of humanitarian aid, not military aid. And Trump can use **that** as a "good faith" lever in the negotiations.

That sounds perfectly legit and logical to me, but I haven't heard any discussion about humanitarian aid, just military aid.

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Well, I didn't hear him say that, but he said something along the lines "what we gain from their rare earth materials will be worth it."

The "humanitarian" bit was in a post right before I responded to this
one.

It's possible I guess. I don't know exactly what materials they have, or what their value is though. Hopefully Trump knows.

Trump probably knows what Biden knew but we'd not believed if Biden had told us. Maybe/hopefully they are similar to the ones that China
supplies, since they've got pissed off about the tarrifs and are going
to make it harder to get their mineral exports now.

It would explain why Russia wants control of the area.

Good point. Maybe the "Ukraine has biolabs" thing was used as an excuse, but I think there's truth to that also because there has been witness corroboration. If it is true, then it's my expectation that Trump will do something about that also (kill 2 birds.)

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I feel more ripped off by Ukraine than by anyone else (except for maybe Democrats.) They have dirt on Biden. Now I wonder if they have dirt on Trump too.

Possible, but doubtful. We'll have to wait and see, though.


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Lots of places have biolabs. I assume in this case the accusation was that the labs were being used for chemical or biological warfare agents?

Yea, Putin's original argument was that Ukraine had "biolabs" and the invasion
began while we were all still sore about covid.

I don't know if Ukraine's bio labs were intended for weaponizing viruses, but Putin definitely inferred that by stating that the biolab was the reason for his invasion.

With the timing of it, one does wonder if Putin chose "biolabs" hoping it was
a good excuse he could get away with.


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I don't know if Ukraine's bio labs were intended for weaponizing viruses Putin definitely inferred that by stating that the biolab was the reason his invasion.

With the timing of it, one does wonder if Putin chose "biolabs" hoping
it was a good excuse he could get away with.

I was supportive of it at the time. I was and still am outraged by the virology industry. But now that it's costing me money, looking back, I guess I'd say let them have their little bio lab.

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Now Trump wants to fund Ukraine too, but supposedly he'll hold Ukrainian precious materials as collateral.

I am sure there are plenty of red kool-aid slurpers around that will spin this as "funding Ukraine is (now) a good thing."

There are definitely some people who will never view Trump negatively. I love Trump, but this is a big chunk of BS to swallow. He's so tough about everything ("Let's colonize Gaza!") so why does he puss out on Ukraine after a conversation with "Mr Innocent?"

I disagree re: 51st state but agree with the second bit -- Why should
we be at war with them? It didn't make sense when Biden was President
so why should it now?

Exactly. I like Ron's optimism about it but it's not sitting well. We knew Trump was exaggerating when he said "I'll end that conflict before I even take office" but continuing to fund Ukraine's military is literally the opposite of what we anticipated.

I suspect, and I hope, that Trump is just running his mouth, and that he ultimately won't mean some of these things that he's saying.

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Exactly. I like Ron's optimism about it but it's not sitting well. We knew

I have noticed that... the quick flop from "Biden funding Ukraine is bad"
to "Ukraine funding is mostly humanitarian and is OK"... too.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

But on the other hand, any aid to Ukraine's military seems like a provocation for Russia. We need to make peace with Russia first before
we take Zelenski's rare earth materials.

We need Ukraine as a negotiation tool for working with Russia. Trump won't give up that until the Russia issue is solved.

But I still think that most aid will be in the form of humanitarian aid, not military aid. And Trump can use **that** as a "good faith" lever in the negotiations.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

But I still think that most aid will be in the form of humanitarian aid, not military aid. And Trump can use **that** as a "good faith" lever in the negotiations.

That sounds perfectly legit and logical to me, but I haven't heard any discussion about humanitarian aid, just military aid.

Keep in mind that most of this is just speculation on my part.

I've tried to do some research into this topic, but finding reliable information is hard. Which means that people are playing with their cards close to their chest because negotiations will happen soon.


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On 05 Feb 2025, Ron L. said the following...

The Art of the Deal. Russia isn't happy with that Ukrainian deal. It gives Trump leverage when dealing with Putin.

Remember that our gov't isn't (all) a bunch of puppets and ignorant Elitists anymore.

I think he's going to do 8 years worth of "Stuff" in the first 100 days... After 2 years he'll change the deep state for decades to come. Hopefully the current government employee purge will get rid of the idiots.

We have nothing to gain. But the Elitists let Russia have the upper
hand too long. We need to bring them down a bit and talk about things
as equals. Peace is best for both sides and if our side just rolls
over, that's not the kind of peace we want.

We need to stop thinking of things like the Elitists. Elitists think of people as inanimate chess pieces that can be moved at their will.
That's not reality.

The reality is that everyone wants to do what's best for themselves.
When that happens freely, you get Capitalism and that aligns things much better. If I stand to gain by doing right by you, that's good for both
of us.

So we need to start thinking in terms of business deals. In this case, both sides want to win and Trump is good at doing that.

Yes, this is all true. It's funny how Elon has exposed the depth of corruption in the government. Can you imagine what he'll find if he does an audit of the DoD?? HAHAHA... I can't wait.

The Democrats are arguing to ignore all the corruption. They might have been on board with DOGE at first, then the corruption was exposed.

There are a SH!T LOAD of 3 letter agencies that need the AI Algorithm to work it's magic.

Trump is asking for mineral rights for all that the American people have put into the war.

And it looks like a new Trump Tower may be built in Gaza...

Trump will Make Gaza Great Again.

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Something I have noticed here... while gas prices started going down around the election, and have not fluctuated much, grocery prices are still going up. I don't (usually) buy eggs but other things are also going up. Used to be that at least junk food was affordable, for folks who couldn't afford better, but even that is going up.

I don't see grocery prices rising here, but certain things inflated quite a bit while Biden was president. Certain products that I buy suddenly became at about $1 more than before.

I would like to see issues like these... ones that affect our pocket books, and undoubtedly the issues that got Trump elected... addressed. Instead we are getting the distractions of "let's make Gaza a resort"
and "let's fire a bunch of people (which won't be good for the economy)" and "let's turn Elon and his minions loose in the government systems."

The Elon Musk thing appeals to me. I was disappointed when I heard that USAID's workforce was slashed to "less than 300 employees." I don't know why it takes 300 people to shovel our money into a flaming dumpster. But at least that number is down from thousands that it had before.

I'm confident that we will see a return on all this money saving, unless they plan to pass those savings on to Ukraine and Israel.

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