Hello Vague,


On Friday February 12 2021 22:50, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

1) There is no node 1:3603/9999 in the nodelist.
2) There isn't even a net 3603.
3) Real names are tradition in Fidonet.

So, who are you?



Cheers, Michiel

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MvdV> So, who are you?

Indeed. I'm sorry, but I forgot the Q-code for this question, maybe you can remind me? My immediate thought QRU didn't compile. 8-)

Can it be that he's a node in the strange nodelist I got a week ago? A Danish attempt to overtake the FidoNet?



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Host,815,Dominican_Republic_DR,Haita_DR,Open,000-0-0-0-0,300,IBN
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Host,821,St._Kitts_Net_Area_Caribbian_USA,Open,Open,000-0-0-0-0,300,IBN
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Host,822,Nevis_Net_Area_Caribbian_USA,Open,Open,000-0-0-0-0,300,IBN
;EX
; Host,823,Antigua_&_Barbuda_Caribbian_USA_Net_Area,Open,Open,000-0-0-0-0,300,IBN ;EX
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Host,826,St._Lucia_Island_Caribbian_USA,Open,Open,000-0-0-0-0,300,IBN
;EX
;
Host,827,Granadians+Islands_Caribbian_USA,Open,Open,000-0-0-0-0,300,IBN
;EX
;
Host,830,Barbados_Caribbian_USA_Net_Area,Open,Open,000-0-0-0-0,300,IBN
;EX
; Host,835,Tobaco+Trinidad_Caribbian_USA_Net_Area,Open_TT,Open,000-0-0-0-0,300,IBN
;EX
; Host,850,Belize_Central_America_Area_Host,Belmopan_Belize,Open,000-0-0-0-0,300,IBN
;EX
; Host,855,Guatemala_Central_America_Area_Host,Open_Guatamala_City,Open,000-0-0-0-0,300,IBN
;EX
; Host,860,El_Salvador_Central_America_Area_Net_Host,Open_San_Salvador_ES,Open,000-0-0-0-0,300,CM,IBN
;EX
; Host,865,Honduras_Central_America_Area_Host,Open_Tegucigalpa_HR,Open,000-0-0-0-0,300,IBN
;EX
; Host,870,Nicaragua_NG_Central_America_Area_Host,Open_Managua_NG_Cntrl_America,Open,000-0-0-0-0,300,IBN
;EX
; Host,875,Costa_Rica_Cntrl_America_Area_Host,Open_San_Jose_CR,Open,000-0-0-0-0,300,IBN
;EX
; Host,880,Panama_Central_America_Area_Host,Open_Panama_City_PM,Open,000-0-0-0-0,300,IBN
;EX
; Host,899,Colombia_Cntrl_America_South_Area_Host,Barranquilla_Colombia_Open,Open,000-0-0-0-0,300,IBN
;EX





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Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Vague <=-

Hello Vague,

1) There is no node 1:3603/9999 in the nodelist.
2) There isn't even a net 3603.
3) Real names are tradition in Fidonet.

So, who are you?

Very interesting. I do know he's a troll who recently crawled out from
under a rock in Dove-Net. Looks like he's impersonating a Fido node,
can anyone see the "via" lines of his messages and know what hub is
being exploited?



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Hi Dan,

On 2021-02-13 07:38:00, you wrote to Michiel van der Vlist:

1) There is no node 1:3603/9999 in the nodelist.
2) There isn't even a net 3603.
3) Real names are tradition in Fidonet.

So, who are you?

Very interesting. I do know he's a troll who recently crawled out from under a rock in Dove-Net. Looks like he's impersonating a Fido node,
can anyone see the "via" lines of his messages and know what hub is
being exploited?

There are no Via lines in echomail, but his path lines start with: @PATH: 135/391. That is:

,391,Vague_BBS,Largo_FL,David_Duff,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:vague.ddns.net,IBN,ITN

So my guess would be: mister Vague is David Duff...


Bye, Wilfred.

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can anyone see the "via" lines of his messages and know what hub is
being exploited?

As Wilfred already has explained, there is no Via lines in echomail, but we do have Path lines. And the Path line to my system may be like Wilfred's:

X-JAM-PATH2D: 135/391 300 3634/12 640/1384 221/1 203/0 2

So I second Wilfred's suggestion. I just hope that Largo_FL has nothing to do with Mar-a-Lago. That would be too much, thinking of Lee's previous suggestions here. 8-)



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Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Dan Clough <=-

1) There is no node 1:3603/9999 in the nodelist.
2) There isn't even a net 3603.
3) Real names are tradition in Fidonet.

So, who are you?

Very interesting. I do know he's a troll who recently crawled out from under a rock in Dove-Net. Looks like he's impersonating a Fido node,
can anyone see the "via" lines of his messages and know what hub is
being exploited?

There are no Via lines in echomail, but his path lines start
with: @PATH: 135/391. That is:

,391,Vague_BBS,Largo_FL,David_Duff,-Unpublished-,300,CM,INA:vague. ddns.net,IBN,ITN

So my guess would be: mister Vague is David Duff...

Nice. So I wonder why he's posting from an apparent address of
1:3603/9999 ?

Misconfiguration, or attempted misdirection?

What say you, David Duff?



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Björn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-

can anyone see the "via" lines of his messages and know what hub is
being exploited?

As Wilfred already has explained, there is no Via lines in
echomail, but we do have Path lines. And the Path line to my
system may be like Wilfred's:

X-JAM-PATH2D: 135/391 300 3634/12 640/1384 221/1 203/0 2

Yes, thank you. Now wondering why he's spoofing the 1:3603/9999
address... Stupidity, or deception?



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Re: Re: Who are you?
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Dan Clough on Sat Feb 13 2021 15:17:57

So my guess would be: mister Vague is David Duff...

sounds like he just needs to go back over his configuration and fix the FTN addresses in his fidonet areas, then... a simple thing to fix, really... certainly nothing worth flamage and heavy bombardment...


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Re: Who are you?
By: Björn Felten to Dan Clough on Sat Feb 13 2021 15:48:22

I just hope that Largo_FL has nothing to do with Mar-a-Lago.

Largo, Fla is on the west coast of florida on the other side of Old Tampa Bay from Tampa... Mar-a-lago is on the east coast just south of West Palm Beach...


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Re: Re: Who are you?
By: Dan Clough to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Feb 13 2021 09:04:00

Nice. So I wonder why he's posting from an apparent address of 1:3603/9999 ?

Misconfiguration, or attempted misdirection?

net3603 used to cover the tampa area... the entire state of florida is now covered by one net, net135...

IIRC, david is a returning operator and he appears to have set up using the old net and temporary node number used for applying for a node... i would guess that he configured his system using the temp number and just hasn't
gone back to change everything to use his actual assigned address... a simple oversight... probably encumbered by using a configuration script or similar tool when configuring fidonet for his system...


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Hi mark,

On 2021-02-13 11:05:26, you wrote to me:

So my guess would be: mister Vague is David Duff...

sounds like he just needs to go back over his configuration and fix the FTN
addresses in his fidonet areas, then... a simple thing to fix, really... certainly nothing worth flamage and heavy bombardment...

Sure, he must get a chance to fix it...

Bye, Wilfred.

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mark lewis wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Nice. So I wonder why he's posting from an apparent address of 1:3603/9999 ?

Misconfiguration, or attempted misdirection?

net3603 used to cover the tampa area... the entire state of
florida is now covered by one net, net135...

IIRC, david is a returning operator and he appears to have set up
using the old net and temporary node number used for applying for
a node... i would guess that he configured his system using the
temp number and just hasn't gone back to change everything to use
his actual assigned address... a simple oversight... probably
encumbered by using a configuration script or similar tool when configuring fidonet for his system...

All right, you are probably correct.

He also should properly configure his system to use real names in Fido
echos. But I guess that isn't a thing, any more.



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On 13 Feb 2021, Wilfred van Velzen said the following...

Hi Dan,

On 2021-02-13 07:38:00, you wrote to Michiel van der Vlist:

1) There is no node 1:3603/9999 in the nodelist.
2) There isn't even a net 3603.
3) Real names are tradition in Fidonet.

So, who are you?

Very interesting. I do know he's a troll who recently crawled out fr under a rock in Dove-Net. Looks like he's impersonating a Fido node, can anyone see the "via" lines of his messages and know what hub is being exploited?

I do not buy into the idea or notion that this occurred because of a misconfiguration or a miscommunication error, not at all, this was very deliberate. There should be consequence's for such action & behavior.

Exploitation was his goal at every angle, his handle - Vauge.
I also went to the nodelist, I found nothing.
Could it be that these massages were gated to the newsgroups and then back
into Fidonet. Policy 4 rules Fidonet, but is there a provision within policy
to account for what Mr. Duff was able to pull off and additionally would he
or could he be held accountable for a explanation of his previous antics?

Now that Mr. Duff has a fully fledged node in Fidonet wouldn't it seem
logical and appropriate to reach out to his NC to see if they could shed any light as to what happened?

Host,135,Sunshine_State_Net,Gainesville_FL,Eric_Renfro

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On 2021-02-27 10:26:55, you wrote to me:

1) There is no node 1:3603/9999 in the nodelist.
2) There isn't even a net 3603.
3) Real names are tradition in Fidonet.

So, who are you?

Very interesting. I do know he's a troll who recently crawled

out fr

under a rock in Dove-Net. Looks like he's impersonating a Fido

node,

can anyone see the "via" lines of his messages and know what hub

is

being exploited?

I do not buy into the idea or notion that this occurred because of a misconfiguration or a miscommunication error, not at all, this was very deliberate.

I believe it was an honest mistake. He asked for help with his configuration (don't remember which area), and has since fixed it.

He still uses the alias. But that is ultimately up to the moderator, although it is a decenia old tradition (but not a ruel) in fidonet to use your real-name...

There should be consequence's for such action & behavior.

If you really feel that way, you should talk to the area moderator(s), or file a formal complaint with your *C, if you think it's not an echomail specific offence...

Exploitation was his goal at every angle, his handle - Vauge.

Your opinion, not a fact.

I also went to the nodelist, I found nothing.

Than you didn't look to close, it was very obvious from the path line and origin in his messages, who he was.

Could it be that these massages were gated to the newsgroups and then
back into Fidonet.

No.

Policy 4 rules Fidonet, but is there a provision within policy to
account for what Mr. Duff was able to pull off

He wasn't pulling anything off.

and additionally would he or could he be held accountable for a explanation of his previous antics?

If you think you have a case, file a complaint.

Now that Mr. Duff has a fully fledged node in Fidonet wouldn't it seem logical and appropriate to reach out to his NC to see if they could shed any light as to what happened?

I think it already is clear what happend.


Bye, Wilfred.

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On 27 Feb 21 10:26:55, Gregory Deyss said the following to Wilfred Van Velzen:

I do not buy into the idea or notion that this occurred because of a misconfiguration or a miscommunication error, not at all, this was very deliberate. There should be consequence's for such action & behavior.

I think he fixed whatever the problem was.

Nick

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Re: Re: Who are you?
By: Gregory Deyss to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Feb 27 2021 10:26 am

I do not buy into the idea or notion that this occurred because of a misconfiguration or a miscommunication error, not at all, this was very deliberate. There should be consequence's for such action & behavior.

What actions & behavior do you speak of, and what consequences do you propose?

Exploitation was his goal at every angle, his handle - Vauge.

He posted his thoughts and opinions, I don't see any exploitation.

Now that Mr. Duff has a fully fledged node in Fidonet wouldn't it seem logical and appropriate to reach out to his NC to see if they could shed any light as to what happened?

What happened!?

Host,135,Sunshine_State_Net,Gainesville_FL,Eric_Renfro

I'm almost certain that Eric Renfro can do without the drama.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Re: Re: Who are you?
By: Gregory Deyss to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Feb 27 2021 10:26:55

I do not buy into the idea or notion that this occurred because of
a misconfiguration or a miscommunication error, not at all, this
was very deliberate. There should be consequence's for such action
& behavior.

i can tell you, without a doubt, that the erroneous FTN address in the origin line was a misconfiguration... he had set up originally with it (via a configuration script) to rejoin fidonet he was hoping to rejoin the same net
he had been in previously but that is not possible anymore... he was not aware that the address had been written to each of his fidonet message areas' settings... it was not "deliberate" as in he was not trying to cause
problems... once it was pointed out and he was able to investigate his fidonet areas' settings, he was quite able to fix the problem with the erroneous address in the origin line...

whether or not real names are required in this echo remains to be seen... the moderator has not spoken about it nor have they posted any rules for this area in years...


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On 27 Feb 2021, Wilfred van Velzen said the following...

On 2021-02-27 10:26:55, you wrote to me:

1) There is no node 1:3603/9999 in the nodelist.
2) There isn't even a net 3603.
3) Real names are tradition in Fidonet.

So, who are you?

Very interesting. I do know he's a troll who recently crawled

out fr

under a rock in Dove-Net. Looks like he's impersonating a Fido

node,

can anyone see the "via" lines of his messages and know what hu

is

being exploited?

I do not buy into the idea or notion that this occurred because of a misconfiguration or a miscommunication error, not at all, this was ve deliberate.

I believe it was an honest mistake. He asked for help with his configuration (don't remember which area), and has since fixed it.

He still uses the alias. But that is ultimately up to the moderator, although it is a decenia old tradition (but not a ruel) in fidonet to
use your real-name...

There should be consequence's for such action & behavior.

If you really feel that way, you should talk to the area moderator(s),
or file a formal complaint with your *C, if you think it's not an
echomail specific offence...

Than you didn't look to close, it was very obvious from the path line and origin in his messages, who he was.

Now sure yes, he is listed properly but before there was no such indication, as 1:3603 does not exist. As for filing a complaint, I will not, as trust your insight and I thank you for your response.

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On 27 Feb 2021, Nick Andre said the following...

On 27 Feb 21 10:26:55, Gregory Deyss said the following to Wilfred Van Velzen:

I do not buy into the idea or notion that this occurred because of a misconfiguration or a miscommunication error, not at all, this was ver deliberate. There should be consequence's for such action & behavior.

I think he fixed whatever the problem was.

Then the matter is closed, to spite how annoying he has been in the past.

. ______ ┌─────────┐ ┌────────┐ ┌──────────────┐ ┌─────────────────┐
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{ NET 267 │ │1:267/150│ │21:1/127│ │ America │ │ by Gregory │
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On 27 Feb 2021, mark lewis said the following...

Re: Re: Who are you?
By: Gregory Deyss to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Feb 27 2021 10:26:55

I do not buy into the idea or notion that this occurred because of
a misconfiguration or a miscommunication error, not at all, this
was very deliberate. There should be consequence's for such action
& behavior.

i can tell you, without a doubt, that the erroneous FTN address in the origin line was a misconfiguration... he had set up originally with it (via a configuration script) to rejoin fidonet he was hoping to rejoin
the same net he had been in previously but that is not possible
anymore... he was not aware that the address had been written to each of his fidonet message areas' settings... it was not "deliberate" as in he was not trying to cause problems... once it was pointed out and he was able to investigate his fidonet areas' settings, he was quite able to
fix the problem with the erroneous address in the origin line...

Good enough for me, I was merely acting upon emotional judgment as well a bit of suspicion based on how he was with me in one particular echo. When he referred to me as King of Fidonet here in New York and then there also was use of the term Fidogod by him as well. I told him I was neither of these.

. ______ ┌─────────┐ ┌────────┐ ┌──────────────┐ ┌─────────────────┐
_[]_││──││ │ Fidonet │ │FSX Net│ │ God Bless │ │ Another Message │
{ NET 267 │ │1:267/150│ │21:1/127│ │ America │ │ by Gregory │
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On 27 Feb 21 21:58:50, Gregory Deyss said the following to Nick Andre:

I think he fixed whatever the problem was.

Then the matter is closed, to spite how annoying he has been in the past.

Uhhhh, in the past... week? Month? I've never heard of this "vague" guy until recently.

Nick

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Re: Re: Who are you?
By: mark lewis to Gregory Deyss on Sat Feb 27 2021 07:20 pm

whether or not real names are required in this echo remains to be seen... the moderator has not spoken about it nor have they posted any rules for this area in years...

The rules are posted on the first of the month every month although there is no mention of real names.

If you are not seeing the rules I suspect your tosser is seeing the post as a dupe and letting it go.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Kurt Weiske!

** On Saturday 20.03.21 - 09:16, you wrote:

I forget who it was that compared the telephone network to
the internet by saying that the telephone network was a
smart network with dumb endpoints, and the internet was a
dumb network with smart endpoints. It seemed like a sound
analogy.

Maybe Intel(tm) Inside but Dummy Outside, no matter what
network. :D
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Kurt Weiske wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

Lee Lofaso wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

Every sysop is lord and master of his/her own system.
As well as his/her own universe.

I forget who it was that compared the telephone network to the internet
by saying that the telephone network was a smart network with dumb endpoints, and the internet was a dumb network with smart endpoints. It seemed like a sound analogy.

Take a look at social media... I think we're going backwards... LOL






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