Hello Drew Klenotic!

Are they even still doing the FidoGazette? I thought they
had stopped with that.

Maybe I'm thinking of something else.

Most likely there is not even enough material for another
newsletter to re-establish the FidoGazette. Most echos are
devoid of interesting chatter. What kind of newsletter would
reflect that? - an empty one perhaps. :(

I *do* miss the top echo list that showed the weekly message
counts.

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Hello August,

On Monday February 13 2023 22:44, you wrote to Drew Klenotic:

Most likely there is not even enough material for another
newsletter to re-establish the FidoGazette. Most echos are
devoid of interesting chatter. What kind of newsletter would
reflect that? - an empty one perhaps. :(

The Fidogazette is dead. Let it rest in peace.


Cheers, Michiel

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August,

I *do* miss the top echo list that showed the weekly message
counts.

That's just the message count at one site ... I think.

It is just as meaningful as somenone posting the route a particular echo follows ... that only is significant for that particular echo ...

\%/@rd

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Hi August,

On 2023-02-13 22:44:00, you wrote to Drew Klenotic:

I *do* miss the top echo list that showed the weekly message
counts.

Just connect to the STATS echo, there are multiple echo mail lists showing counts every day. ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Wilfred van Velzen!

I *do* miss the top echo list that showed the weekly
message counts.

Just connect to the STATS echo, there are multiple echo
mail lists showing counts every day. ;-)

I have. But..

Janis' was the best design.
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Hi August,

On 2023-02-14 08:37:00, you wrote to me:

I *do* miss the top echo list that showed the weekly
message counts.

Just connect to the STATS echo, there are multiple echo
mail lists showing counts every day. ;-)

I have. But..

Janis' was the best design.

Maybe it's a matter of getting used to?

Or else you will have to create your own. ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Wilfred van Velzen!

Maybe it's a matter of getting used to?

Getting used to the limited versions, yes. :(

Or else you will have to create your own. ;-)

As a "user" I cannot. But I seem to remember that the ones in
STATS are quite limited and often just list the top-10 active
ones only. Janis' at least covered most of the ELIST ones.
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I would think that now, more than ever, those echo message counts would
be important when deciding what echos are worth trying out.

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Hi August,

On 2023-02-14 18:59:00, you wrote to me:

Or else you will have to create your own. ;-)

As a "user" I cannot. But I seem to remember that the ones in
STATS are quite limited and often just list the top-10 active
ones only. Janis' at least covered most of the ELIST ones.

There are currently 4 active systems that post an echo area list. 2 Post only about the active echo's on their system. 2 Others post a complete list of all echo areas on their system. 1 Of those also posts a Top 10 list in the same message. And nothing much has changed in the last couple of years, so I think you remember it wrong...

So I think all the information you want is there, but maybe not in the form you were used to by Janis.
And Janis's was a big system, with most areas (which probably were mostly empty for a big part of them)...

Bye, Wilfred.

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I have. But..

Janis' was the best design.

I will never understand "stats"... those that collect them, those that
read them, the idea that one can judge whats a good echo or not based on
an arbitrary number of posts. Especially busy-idiots who post them routinely as part of some stupid script out of a need to feel important.

Some echoes have lots of messages but are completely devoid of any interesting content while others have only a few posts but can be very interesting.

Nick

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Nick wrote (2023-02-15):

I have. But..

Janis' was the best design.

I will never understand "stats"... those that collect them, those that read them, the idea that one can judge whats a good echo or not based on an arbitrary number of posts. Especially busy-idiots who post them routinely as part of some stupid script out of a need to feel important.

Nick is the greatest ->whatever-comes-to-mind<-, everybody else's motivation sucks.

Some echoes have lots of messages but are completely devoid of any interesting content while others have only a few posts but can be very interesting.

q.e.d.

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On 15 Feb 23 17:37:00, Oli said the following to Nick Andre:

Nick is the greatest ->whatever-comes-to-mind<-, everybody else's motivation sucks.

Your "Next" key appears to stop working whenever you encounter my messages.

I'll grab some popcorn while you get that fixed.

Nick

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Some echoes have lots of messages but are completely devoid of any

nteresting

content while others have only a few posts but can be very interesting.

Indeed. Part of that depends on what you are interested in, of course.


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Hello Nick!

I will never understand "stats"... those that collect
them, those that read them, the idea that one can judge
whats a good echo or not based on an arbitrary number of
posts. Especially busy-idiots who post them routinely as
part of some stupid script out of a need to feel
important.

Granted, the stats of some of the echos are highly skewed with
the repetative auto-posts with rules and stuff. However, it is
good to have something to indicate that some life in them
exists and that someone has an eye on them.

Some echoes have lots of messages but are completely devoid of any interesting content while others have only a few posts but can be very interesting.

I suppose it's a lot like tuning into a ham-radio channel and
hope that someone is there to have a chat.

The ELIST provides a healthy list of FTN echos. People simply
need to contribute to the ones that they are interested to see
spring with more life.
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Hello Wilfred!

[...] And nothing much has changed in the last
couple of years, so I think you remember it wrong...

Perhaps.

There is one rather long stats list with quite a few echos.
It's not too bad to work with.

So I think all the information you want is there, but
maybe not in the form you were used to by Janis. And
Janis's was a big system, with most areas (which probably
were mostly empty for a big part of them)...

Echos are a chicken'n'egg situation. New users would most
likely like to see what's in them (even if there hasn't been
much stats activity in them) in order to determine viability of participation. But if an echo has none, then it can easily be
skipped and ignored. But thankfully, %RESCAN can prove useful.

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On 15 Feb 23 19:43:00, August Abolins said the following to Nick Andre:

Granted, the stats of some of the echos are highly skewed with
the repetative auto-posts with rules and stuff. However, it is
good to have something to indicate that some life in them
exists and that someone has an eye on them.

I always felt that Word of mouth is best... its what makes things a bit more fun, that cooperative-anarchy. Anyone can start something and almost immediately find others to pick it up without any formal regimented process.

Nick

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13 Feb 2023 22:44, you wrote to Drew Klenotic:

I *do* miss the top echo list that showed the weekly message
counts.

From my system, excluding non-English echos:

2023-02-11 .. 2023-02-17

128 STATS
127 COOKING
84 POLITICS
76 SYNCHRONET
60 SYNC_SYSOPS
50 SYNC_PROGRAMMING
25 FIDONET.TELEGRAM
24 BINKD
23 FIDOTEST
21 MYSTIC
19 WINPOINT
18 FIDOGAZETTE
15 FIDONEWS
14 TAGLINES
11 OTHERNETS
9 CHAT
8 NODELIST-POLICE
7 FMAIL_HELP
7 FTSC_PUBLIC
7 MEMORIES
6 ECHO_ADS
6 MUSIC
6 LINUX
6 FIDOSOFT.HUSKY
5 JAMNNTPD
5 GOLDED
4 FN_SYSOP
4 ENET.SYSOP
4 XPOINT
4 AVIATION
4 COFFEE_KLATSCH
4 FUTURE4FIDO
4 AFTERSHOCK
3 ECHOLIST
3 CANACHAT
3 NET_DEV
3 NZ_FIDONET
3 INTERNET
2 MOBILE
2 DBRIDGE
2 POINTS
2 BBS_INTERNET
1 UTF-8
1 AMIGA
1 WIN95
1 BBS_CARNIVAL
1 GENEALOGY
1 ENGLISH_TUTOR
1 MOVIES

Carlos

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Carlos,

128 STATS
127 COOKING

Meaning 2/3 of what passes your system are statistics and cooking-recipes from a database which over the years have been posted at least 5 times.

\%/@rd

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18 Feb 2023 10:16, you wrote to me:

128 STATS
127 COOKING

Meaning 2/3 of what passes your system

That list only includes English-speaking echos.

are statistics and cooking-recipes from a database which over the
years have been posted at least 5 times.

There is some chatter in COOKING, not only recipes...

Carlos

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are statistics and cooking-recipes from a database which over the
years have been posted at least 5 times.

There is some chatter in COOKING, not only recipes...

Correct, and even many of the recipe posts have chatter in them.

Mike


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Are they even still doing the FidoGazette? I thought they had stopped
with that.

Maybe I'm thinking of something else.

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