Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to have atomic
weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of nuclear stations was able
to make nukes rather quickly.

Ukraine did and could easily have nuclear weapons agian. They have the tecknology.

They gave up their nuclear weapons. Russia guaranteed them that they would not be invaded. Are you getting the picture?

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The present neo-Nazi authority of some states literally raped the holy
memory of the fallen soldiers. They demolish and vandalize monuments,

Every nation can put up or take down monuments as they please. Even here in Canada we have been taking down old monuments that were once venerated.

they glorify those who collaborated with Hitler troops.

They do not. You are wrong. You have been misled.

The dislike of Russia a swinish, miserable excuse. The matter is not in the present day Russia.

Russia is going to be disliked for a long time into the future because of what it has done and is doing. The degree to which depends on how this ends.

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Hi, Alan Ianson! - > Alexander Koryagin
I read your message from 12.05.2022 09:30

The present neo-Nazi authority of some states literally raped the
holy memory of the fallen soldiers. They demolish and vandalize
monuments,

Every nation can put up or take down monuments as they please. Even
here in Canada we have been taking down old monuments that were
once venerated.

The memory of the soldiers who fought with Hitler is holy if you know who Hitler was and what he did.

they glorify those who collaborated with Hitler troops.

They do not. You are wrong. You have been misled.

Of course the news that Ukrainian authority made of them (Bandera for instance) national heroes don't appear in your "objective" media. ;-\

The dislike of Russia a swinish, miserable excuse. The matter is
not in the present day Russia.

Russia is going to be disliked for a long time into the future
because of what it has done and is doing. The degree to which
depends on how this ends.

Russia and the USSR in WW2 is not the same thing.

Bye, Alan!
Alexander Koryagin
debate 2022

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Hi, Alan Ianson! -> Alexander Koryagin
I read your message from 12.05.2022 09:23

Ukrainian politicians openly told of their intentions to have
atomic weapon, and Ukraine as a state with a lot of nuclear
stations was able to make nukes rather quickly.

Ukraine did and could easily have nuclear weapons agian. They have
the tecknology.

They gave up their nuclear weapons. Russia guaranteed them that
they would not be invaded. Are you getting the picture?

Ukraine did whatever in it force to escalate the situation and it managed to do it.

Bye, Alan!
Alexander Koryagin
debate 2022

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The memory of the soldiers who fought with Hitler is holy if you know who Hitler was and what he did.

We remember our lost soldier also. It is not holy but we do not forget.

I am no expert but I have a good idea of hitler and what the nazi's did.

Of course the news that Ukrainian authority made of them (Bandera for instance national heroes don't appear in your "objective" media. ;-\

They are not nazi's. There were nazi's amongst them around 2014 but that does not make them nazi's.

Ukraine is not a nazi state and neither is the Azov battalion.

Russia is going to be disliked for a long time into the future
because of what it has done and is doing. The degree to which
depends on how this ends.

Russia and the USSR in WW2 is not the same thing.

That is true. In any case Russia will be hated for what it is doing today.

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Ukraine did whatever in it force to escalate the situation and it managed to do it.

That is wrong. That is taken from your state media TV, something like a soap opera. It is disconnected from reality.

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You can't blame Putin for Zelenski's mistreatment of his people. When Biden makes us defend our homes against the Russian military, you will not be blaming Putin.

No you can't. If Zelensky was mistreating his people they wouldn't stand by him the way they do, they would stand behind your Putin.

Why are you still expecting a Russian/Ukrainian conflict by 2024? Is that how much confidence you have in these losers?

The conflict in Ukraine has been ongoing since 2014 supported by your Putin again.

The solution to the conflict isn't Trump; it's surrender.

The Ukrainian people seem to to disagree with you.

If they had surrendered where do you think they would be now?

Ukraine already lost the war when they lost civilian lives.

That is the result of Russias actions. They are fighting for their country and families.

That was clue #999 that it was time to surrender. It's Zelenski and Biden
who are causing all of this,

No, it is Russia that caused all of this.

and Putin is just a criminal without a care in the world.

I think Putin has plenty of cares these days although it is not the people of Russia. He is caring about where his next super yacht ride is coming from.

DEFENDING? He's doing a terrible job! The people who got blown up inside their apartments wished they had taken cover wherever that bastard Zelenski is hiding.

What has he done so terrible?

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That is true. In any case Russia will be hated for what it is
doing today.

Leave Russia alone.

No one is interfering with Russia.

Those bastards who demolish the monuments to those who defeated Hitler are openly declare who are their heroes.

What monument has been taken down?

I know that there was some kind of monument taken down in Kyiv recently that was something about the friendship between Russia and Ukraine. That is not about Hitler. That was because of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I think that ended the friendship between Russia and Ukraine.

Disliking Russia is a very poor justification and miserable disguise for memory desecrators. Ukraine, Poland, Baltic states all are ruled by
neo-Nazi.

That is Russian proaganda that your state run TV portrays. It is untrue. Ukraine, Poland and the baltic state are not neo-nazi.

The only reason why many in Europe don't note it is the anti-Russian
policy of the mentioned states.

There is no anti-Russian policy. People generally (around the world) don't like what Russia has done/is doing in Ukraine. That is not a policy.

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Zelenski is putting women and children on trains to leave the country, and he's forcing civilian men to remain in Ukraine and to fight the Russian military.

That is not Zelensky. That is an old law on the books. That would have happened regrdless of who the leader of Ukraine happens to be.

You might have something similar in Russia.

The media has you trained to take sides with their preferred winner, and anyone who disagrees is a "Putin pal."

The media doesn't decide anything for me.

Putin is a bad guy, but his "badness" is a distraction and big hero Zelenski is making the invasion more bloody and painful than it needs to be, at the expense of Ukranian families.

You are right, Putin is pure evil. It is Russia who invaded Ukraine and Russia who is responsible for what happened/is happening there.

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Not the whole world, just the countries under media control (Ukraine, USA, Canada) are the ones who should surrender.

Media control? How so?

If you and/or your family was attacked would you simply surrender?

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The thesis that Russian troops enter Ukraine to eat civilians, make them slaves, put into detention camps etc is wrong. Any civilians are safe
until some guys set up machine-guns in their houses. So called
"defenders" appeared to be the main danger for them. But it explicable
easily -- all the "defended" areas had a pro-Russian population. They
could greet Russian troop unless the Ukrainians with right national orientation "defend" them.

No one ever said that Russian troops were going to eat civilians. It is clear as a bell now what Russian has done and wants to do in Ukraine.

Russia is not defenders in Ukraine. They are invaders and occupiers.

What Russia has done in Ukraine is unconscionable, and undefendable.

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