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This one has James Cameron onboard again (as producer), and it stars Linda Hamilton again, as well as Arnold Schwarzenegger. It seems to have those things going for it. So we'll see.

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I don't know, the first one was the best - it was dark and erie almost like a horror flick back in the day. After that it seems like it was just action
which isn't bad.

Sorta like the original Robo Cop - CPU exec's doing coke in the bath room, the blood and gore,, ever movie that folowed was just a disaster and for kids and kept getting worse..

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Re: Re: New Terminator movie coming out
By: Mercyful Fate to Nightfox on Tue Oct 01 2019 11:44 pm

I don't know, the first one was the best - it was dark and erie almost like a horror flick back in the day. After that it seems like it was just action which isn't bad.

I think I liked the 2nd one better. But the 2nd one was the first Terminator movie I saw, so maybe I'm biased. I later saw the first one, and I thought it was good, but to me the first one seemed like a campy low-budget B-movie. I did like the dark and eerie feel of it though. I think the 2nd one was an awesome sequel though. Sequels can be disappointing most of the time, but I thought Terminator 2 took it up a notch. The story, acting, pacing, special effects, basically everything seemed better than the first movie. And it had the twist that you didn't know which was the good one and which was the bad one until it was revealed maybe half way or 1/3 of the way into the movie.

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Re: Re: New Terminator movie coming out
By: Mercyful Fate to Nightfox on Tue Oct 01 2019 11:44 pm

I don't know, the first one was the best - it was dark and erie
almost like a horror flick back in the day. After that it seems
like it was just action which isn't bad.

I think I liked the 2nd one better. But the 2nd one was the first
Terminator movie I saw, so maybe I'm biased. I later saw the first
one, and I thought it was good, but to me the first one seemed like a
campy low-budget B-movie. I did like the dark and eerie feel of it
though. I think the 2nd one was an awesome sequel though. Sequels
can be disappointing most of the time, but I thought Terminator 2
took it up a notch. The story, acting, pacing, special effects,
basically everything seemed better than the first movie. And it had
the twist that you didn't know which was the good one and which was
the bad one until it was revealed maybe half way or 1/3 of the way
into the movie.

Nightfox
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I agree with this...

I don't know, the first one was the best - it was dark and erie
almost like a horror flick back in the day. After that it seems
like it was just action which isn't bad.

I do really like all the films but for me the first is way better
because of the dark and eerie horror type feeling. I think it's the way
the first film makes me feel by captivating me to a point where it feels
like im kinda in the tv with them sharing those moments of time first
hand. I don't get that from any of the others.

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on 01 Oct 2019, Mercyful Fate said...

I don't know, the first one was the best - it was dark and erie almost like a horror flick back in the day. After that it seems like it was
just action which isn't bad.

Actually, yeah, that's a pretty good take on what made The Terminator good:
It was a horror flick masquerading as a science fiction / action film. The sequels just became simple action movies. No horror. No suspense. Just explosions. Fake and gay. Still, T2 did at least give us that great dream sequence where LA gets nuked and Sarah watches herself get burned to ashes
and blown away by the blast. A for effort on that part at least.

Sorta like the original Robo Cop - CPU exec's doing coke in the bath
room, the blood and gore,, ever movie that folowed was just a disaster
and for kids and kept getting worse..

Yeah, that's because of Paul Verhoeven. His signature style was all over the first film, but he got replaced in the sequel. He's the guy who put in all
the over-the-top, almost mockumentary-like elements in Starship Troopers as well. Oh, and Total Recall. Can't forget that one. He was all over some of
the best 80's science fiction / action flicks.

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on 02 Oct 2019, MeaTLoTioN said...

I do really like all the films but for me the first is way better
because of the dark and eerie horror type feeling. I think it's the way

I'll say this: The third film somewhat redeemed itself with the ending (i.e. Judgement Day was inevitable and could not be avoided, and SkyNet was decentralized across everyone's hacked phones, PCs, etc). Even if the rest of the movie was pretty weak, that ending made up for it... as long as I didn't pay money to see it, anyway.

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on 02 Oct 2019, Digital Avatar said...

The sequels just became simple action movies. No horror.

While not nearly as dark as the first movie, I thought T2 had some tense moments and an interesting tone overall that the later movies lacked. I think
a lot of the problem is that the suspense of, for example, the opening chase with the T800 chasing John, is a lot weaker with subsequent watches. The
first time I saw it (as a kid, going in blind) I found a lot of that stuff to be really effective. When I watch it these days, it mostly feels like a straight up action movie to me.

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on 04 Oct 2019, jack phlash said...

While not nearly as dark as the first movie, I thought T2 had some tense moments and an interesting tone overall that the later movies lacked. I think a lot of the problem is that the suspense of, for example, the opening chase with the T800 chasing John, is a lot weaker with
subsequent watches. The first time I saw it (as a kid, going in blind) I found a lot of that stuff to be really effective. When I watch it these days, it mostly feels like a straight up action movie to me.

It just straight up felt like an extended chase scene in an action movie. I mean, the morphing effects of the T1000 were an interesting gimmick, but
that's all they were. There just wasn't any suspense, and definitely no
horror. Hell, the closest to horror we get is when they break into that Cyberdyne researcher's home and John orders the T800 to rip his own arm off
to show he's a machine.

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on 04 Oct 2019, Digital Avatar said...

It just straight up felt like an extended chase scene in an action
movie. I mean, the morphing effects of the T1000 were an interesting gimmick, but that's all they were. There just wasn't any suspense, and definitely no horror. Hell, the closest to horror we get is when they break into that Cyberdyne researcher's home and John orders the T800 to rip his own arm off to show he's a machine.

To me as a kid watching those chase seens, there was a certain menacing precense to the T800 and later T1000 (largely due to their cold robotic
nature and how damn unstoppable they seemed, as in the first movie) that made it feel darker than a straight up action scene to me. I don't really feel
that these days, but I distinctly recall feeling that was when I was younger. *shrug*

How old were you when you saw T2? Did you feel the same way back then?

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on 05 Oct 2019, jack phlash said...

To me as a kid watching those chase seens, there was a certain menacing precense to the T800 and later T1000 (largely due to their cold robotic nature and how damn unstoppable they seemed, as in the first movie) that made it feel darker than a straight up action scene to me. I don't
really feel that these days, but I distinctly recall feeling that was
when I was younger. *shrug*

Yeah, can't say I felt the same, but...

How old were you when you saw T2? Did you feel the same way back then?

...in 1991 I was 12 years old. Didn't faze me. OTOH, I'm also the kid who saw John Carpenter's _The Thing_ when I was like 5 years old. The sight of a
guy's head popping off, sprouting legs, and crawling away didn't faze me either. So, yeah, I've always been a little weird. :D

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on 05 Oct 2019, Digital Avatar said...

Yeah, can't say I felt the same, but...

...in 1991 I was 12 years old. Didn't faze me. OTOH, I'm also the kid
who saw John Carpenter's _The Thing_ when I was like 5 years old. The sight of a guy's head popping off, sprouting legs, and crawling away didn't faze me either. So, yeah, I've always been a little weird. :D

Yeah, I may have been a little younger than you (maybe 11?) but I hadn't seen tons of horror at that point - the stuff I'd seen was mostly stuff that had
an element of cheesiness (the Nightmare on Elm Street movies, for instance.) Who knows.

In any case, I still wouldn't argue that T2 was a straight up horror/thriller like The Terminator was, and the latter movies far less so, so your
overarching point stands. :)

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on 05 Oct 2019, jack phlash said...

In any case, I still wouldn't argue that T2 was a straight up horror/thriller like The Terminator was, and the latter movies far less so, so your overarching point stands. :)

Well, whatever our opinions on the Terminator flicks, can we all agree that
the new Dune is going to suck moose balls?

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Digital Avatar wrote to jack phlash <=-

Well, whatever our opinions on the Terminator flicks, can we all agree that the new Dune is going to suck moose balls?

I'm optimistic, but then again I liked the Lynch Dune version. Maybe it'll inspire someone to read the books?
... Which parts can be grouped?
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on 05 Oct 2019, Digital Avatar said...

Well, whatever our opinions on the Terminator flicks, can we all agree that the new Dune is going to suck moose balls?

I mean, I wish it wouldn't but it seems like making a good Dune adaption is entirely impossible, doesn't it?

I admit I have a soft spot for the David Lynch movie. My brother used to constantly watch the rare (at the time) extended TV cut that he recorded when we were kids. Yes, he was a giant geek. :)

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on 06 Oct 2019, poindexter FORTRAN said...

I'm optimistic, but then again I liked the Lynch Dune version. Maybe

I hated the Lynch version at first. I grew to accept it despite its flaws. If anything it demonstrated that Ian McNiece is the only one with any business playing Vladimir Harkonnen.

it'll inspire someone to read the books?

I won't hold my breath.

... Which parts can be grouped?

Pretty much only the way Lynch did it, I think, i.e. Messiah+Children.
There's no way to group God Emperor with anything.

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on 06 Oct 2019, jack phlash said...

I mean, I wish it wouldn't but it seems like making a good Dune adaption is entirely impossible, doesn't it?

Not at all. Lynch got the general atmosphere right and spent good money on costuming and set design. He picked some halfway decent actors... who then proceeded to ham it up, especially the idiot playing the Baron Harkonnen. By contrast, the miniseries spent about $1.98 on sets and costuming (they
actually played up the notion that using painted backdrops and stage lighting was a good thing -- I couldn't fucking believe it), picked a bunch of
nobodies as actors, but walked away with, I think, the better product.

Also I realize now I accidentally conflated Lynch's movie with the miniseries in another reply in this thread. :/

I admit I have a soft spot for the David Lynch movie. My brother used to constantly watch the rare (at the time) extended TV cut that he recorded when we were kids. Yes, he was a giant geek. :)

A giant geek? For how can this be? FOR HE IS THE KWISATZCH HADERACH!

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